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	<title>Comments on: Pinchgate: The Info Tracking Debate</title>
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		<title>By: Public vs. Private in the Virtual World &#171; Ilium Software Blog</title>
		<link>http://blog.iliumsoft.com/2009/08/20/pinchgate-the-info-tracking-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-35300</link>
		<dc:creator>Public vs. Private in the Virtual World &#171; Ilium Software Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] blog, so I&#8217;m going to drag out the soapbox and talk about privacy issues. As I said in my Pinchgate post, I&#8217;m very sensitive to electronic privacy issues. I&#8217;m perfectly happy to share [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] blog, so I&#8217;m going to drag out the soapbox and talk about privacy issues. As I said in my Pinchgate post, I&#8217;m very sensitive to electronic privacy issues. I&#8217;m perfectly happy to share [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Tim: I guess the question there, Tim, is how &quot;anonymous&quot; is anonymous data? Often, the answer is &quot;not very.&quot; 

On a related note, it&#039;s interesting - culturally, the web has taken on the role of &quot;public spaces.&quot; In other words, I can expect that my activities may get monitored when I&#039;m walking around in a public space, like a store or a park. For most users, the web is a similar environment - we expect that as we &quot;pass the gate&quot; the web site will track us as a &quot;unique hit&quot;, and once we&#039;re in it will track what &quot;rooms&quot; we visit, which products we buy, and where we linger. It might even record some identifying quality about us (IP). 

What we do in our own homes however, or in this case on our computers outside the internet, us considered private. Having someone automatically track usage without asking, or worse pulling other data about us unrelated to the app itself, feels much like a manufacturer installing a chip in our refrigerator to track the food we eat, how often we open it, how often we fill it, and sending all of that information back to an &quot;eye in the sky.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tim: I guess the question there, Tim, is how &#8220;anonymous&#8221; is anonymous data? Often, the answer is &#8220;not very.&#8221; </p>
<p>On a related note, it&#8217;s interesting &#8211; culturally, the web has taken on the role of &#8220;public spaces.&#8221; In other words, I can expect that my activities may get monitored when I&#8217;m walking around in a public space, like a store or a park. For most users, the web is a similar environment &#8211; we expect that as we &#8220;pass the gate&#8221; the web site will track us as a &#8220;unique hit&#8221;, and once we&#8217;re in it will track what &#8220;rooms&#8221; we visit, which products we buy, and where we linger. It might even record some identifying quality about us (IP). </p>
<p>What we do in our own homes however, or in this case on our computers outside the internet, us considered private. Having someone automatically track usage without asking, or worse pulling other data about us unrelated to the app itself, feels much like a manufacturer installing a chip in our refrigerator to track the food we eat, how often we open it, how often we fill it, and sending all of that information back to an &#8220;eye in the sky.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[to further extend the debate, i feel there&#039;s a difference between collecting user data and collecting usage stats. For example, my wife runs a web business that almost exclusively operates by email. there&#039;s no sign up pages and anyone can email through an order or enquiry via their regular mail client (aka explicitly handing over their details). however she also runs a google analytics script on her site to track page views, return visits, etc (aka implicit &quot;spying&quot;). the google analytics doesn&#039;t have any personally identifiable info, so where does that sort of data retention stand go the privacy debate?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to further extend the debate, i feel there&#8217;s a difference between collecting user data and collecting usage stats. For example, my wife runs a web business that almost exclusively operates by email. there&#8217;s no sign up pages and anyone can email through an order or enquiry via their regular mail client (aka explicitly handing over their details). however she also runs a google analytics script on her site to track page views, return visits, etc (aka implicit &#8220;spying&#8221;). the google analytics doesn&#8217;t have any personally identifiable info, so where does that sort of data retention stand go the privacy debate?</p>
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		<title>By: Sergiusz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergiusz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AMEN to that, good sir.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AMEN to that, good sir.</p>
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		<title>By: Fragmentor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fragmentor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right on, brother.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on, brother.</p>
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