Advisory Board Assignment #3: Android!

AndroidTime for a new assignment for our advisory board! Today I want to hear what you have to say about Android. Let me start by laying out the pros and cons as I see them.

PROS

  • It’s Google. Google = Success in the technology market right now which bodes well for the device.
  • It’s a pretty nice OS from a user perspective. Nice UI. Decent look.
  • It might be the “other phone” along with the iPhone.

CONS

So – can you support or contradict the pros and cons? Do you have other pros and cons you’d want to add? How about personal experience with folks who have switched to or abandoned Android? As I’ve said, this is a platform we have not ruled out but I’d love to hear your opinion!

And as a extra motivation, if you post a response with your opinions TODAY you’ll be entered into a drawing for a special prize!

75 thoughts on “Advisory Board Assignment #3: Android!

  1. Henry

    PRO – it is not controlled by Apple – more certainty of product being ‘allowed’ to be sold to customers?

  2. Kevin White

    Can my special prize be a new refrigerator? I need one…

    Actual response: After having to deal with support issues created by problems specific to a few different PalmOS handheld models, not to mention a few specific Windows Mobile devices and BlackBerry devices (*ahem*storm*ahem*) I really hope Google somehow avoids that sort of thing with Android even though devices can be customized.

    The last two cons seem to be related. As that Electronista article about poor sales and marketing points out, Google apparently requires that you specifically choose to look at paid apps. That seems like it will drive free apps by default. If you show everyone free stuff and then say, “Click here for stuff you have to buy,” who is going to click it?

  3. Glenn Blinckmann

    Andriod isn’t as big a market (yet) as it’s made out, but there has only been the G1 until very recently. With so many phones being released, this will almost certainly be a hit. Not every Android model, but enough of them.

    As for the customizations from OEMs making for an expensive development environment, has this been the case with Windows Mobile? That OS also supports many screen resolutions and “skins”, but it seems to not be too bad to develop for. Blackberry also has choices in screen size and keyboards. Even different skins. I wouldn’t see this as a real problem.

    As for Google being a competitor, you have the same problem with Windows Mobile. Microsoft has been know to write actual applications. DataViz still figures out how to compete with Microsoft even with Microsoft making Pocket Office (or whatever the current name is). Google isn’t likely to hit anything but a very large market.

    Will Android users buy apps? I don’t see why they would buy fewer apps than WinMo or Blackberry users. iPhone is a different class of user, I think. Not all that price sensitive.

    FWIW, I’m deciding now between the Samsung Moment and the Moto Droid. It’s time for a new phone and it will be Android this time around. So, I’ll be in the market to get the Android version of eWallet to replace my current Blackberry version.

  4. Rob Campbell

    Pro.

    In addition to the broader market and their buying habits, you need to consider where you current customer base is likely to migrate. I-Phone is likely to be the leading destination for both new and current smartphone owners, but I suspect Android would be second most prevalent for current smartphone owners and Ilium customers. I’d take a poll. I currently have and HTC Touch Pro. My next phone is likely to be an Android device. In addition to the

    The existing smartphone market, however, is minuscule compared to the future market. So satisfying your existing customers is important and will be a sustaining benefit. But betting on the right platform for new customers is critical. The backing of Google and device manufacturers will help it succeed in the larger, non-business market that is developing.

    You raise concerns about “splintering”, but this seems to focus on theming and the 1st-level of interaction with the device, such as HTC’s Sense and Motorola’s Blur. Sure, consistency between these layers and third party applications would be nice. But as you move beyond the widget-level of application, the complexity and functionality of the application itself will dictate the best interface and the user’s satisfaction with it.

    From a developer’s point of view, I think it is most important that the platform is easy to develop for – concentrating on application logic, rather than filling in holes of the SDK. That’s the moral of Project Resistance, which has developers on WinMo and Iphone developing the same project (it was either your blog or WebIs’ that turned me on to this).

    http://blog.opennetcf.com/ctacke/CategoryView,category,Project%20Resistance.aspx

    http://www.christec.co.nz/blog/archives/834

    Indirectly, ease of development is also critical to the end-user’s satisfaction. More apps, more useful/fun the device. If the platform seems easy to develop for, you can anticipate broad support for applications, and broader adoption.

    Rob Campbell

  5. Wil

    I have used all your products on the Windows Mobile and PC since your first iteration. I am switching to Android (Droid) and one of the things that I am having an issue with is no ListPro, eWallet, and Pocket Informant. Users will buy quality products at Fair Market Value, many of the Droid Apps to date are “fan made” and the quality reflects that. While I like the Open Development I’d like to see Google establish an App Market with some quality control (not as drastic as Apple), but there needs to be some QA. If I am going to drop several hundred dollars on a phone – I will drop 20-30 dollars on a quality application rather then try to make do w/a “free” app that doesnt meet my needs. The App market, not out of the box functionality, will make or brake the Android just as it has the iPhone. If you make eWallet/ListPro Android versions I guarantee that the folks who have switched from Blackberry/Windows Mobile/iPhone specifically for the functionality on Verizon will repurchase your software – especially if you give a small discount for previous owners etc… 10 Quality apps/functionality will secure the Android “professional” market not a bunch of gimmicky limited use items.
    1.) eWallet
    2.) ListPro
    3.) Pocket Informant/Agenda Fusion (w/gmail and home/office Outlook support)
    4.) MySportsFitness or similar fitness software
    5.) Some flavor of eBook reading software – ideally synching w/Kindle or Nook
    6.) Bejeweled or similar high quality game
    7.) Robust RSS Newsreader
    8.) Robust Web browsing function (in place already)
    9.) Map/Navigation software (in place already)
    10.) Robust SMS capability (possibly in place)

  6. Marc Post author

    @Glenn:

    OEM Customization: Windows does not allow significant customization of the OS. Palm OS did and it was a real bear to develop for it.

    Will Android Users Buy Apps: But the statistics suggest that they aren’t buying apps – that is what worries me. We saw the same thing with Symbian.

  7. Rob Campbell

    Pro.

    In addition to the broader market and their buying habits, you need to consider where you current customer base is likely to migrate. I-Phone is likely to be the leading destination for both new and current smartphone owners, but I suspect Android would be second most prevalent for current smartphone owners and Ilium customers. I’d take a poll. I currently have and HTC Touch Pro. My next phone is likely to be an Android device. In addition to the

    The existing smartphone market, however, is minuscule compared to the future market. So satisfying your existing customers is important and will be a sustaining benefit. But betting on the right platform for new customers is critical. The backing of Google and device manufacturers will help it succeed in the larger, non-business market that is developing.

    You raise concerns about “splintering”, but this seems to focus on theming and the 1st-level of interaction with the device, such as HTC’s Sense and Motorola’s Blur. Sure, consistency between these layers and third party applications would be nice. But as you move beyond the widget-level of application, the complexity and functionality of the application itself will dictate the best interface and the user’s satisfaction with it.

    From a developer’s point of view, I think it is most important that the platform is easy to develop for – concentrating on application logic, rather than filling in holes of the SDK. That’s the moral of Project Resistance, which has developers on WinMo and Iphone developing the same project (it was either your blog or WebIs’ that turned me on to this).

    Indirectly, ease of development is also critical to the end-user’s satisfaction. More apps, more useful/fun the device. If the platform seems easy to develop for, you can anticipate broad support for applications, and broader adoption.

    Rob Campbell

  8. Kerim Satirli

    As a person with an iPhone and involved in the development of both iPhone and Android apps, I can tell you that, at this point, I would not spend money on Android unless you have a certain cushion you can burn through.

    I have helped develop identical apps for both the iPhone and Android platform and the iPhone has outperformed the Android at a rate of 20:1, even though both apps were promoted exactly the same way.

    Granted, there’s a lot more momentum for the iPhone than there is for Android, but still, at this point, I would not recommend developing for Android.

  9. Jedidiah

    I feel that windows Mobile is dead if not dying. S60, whats that? PalmOS, R.I.P. I will forever miss my treo 680. All we have left is BB, Android and iPhone.
    Sooner or later the people that are sick of the half a$$ AT&T network on their iPhone are going to want to move. I tried iphone it was ok. more of a fad type thing in my book.

    i think iLium should consider the about of coverage in the united states that the iPhone and AT&T doesn’t touch. True you have 100,000 apps in the app store. i would like to know how many of those are actually worth $0.01 maybe 50%, 30%? Is the Android Market place as hyped as App Store. No. I feel there will be a large enough following to make it worth while for ilium.
    Like Wil states, ilium has followers that want to use their apps but might not be able to switch until they find solutions that work.

    count this as my vote to get ewallet on android. (SplashID which is the only other real option right now isn’t what i want to switch to)

  10. Nicola

    i do not know that much about Android but WM is gone, I do not like iPhone, webOS is not popular in Europe. My next device is either BB or Android.

  11. pizz1000

    Android is going to take off – I’m moving from a BB to the Droid. I think while in the past, many of your points are valid, the future will belong to IPhone, Android, followed by Rim with the other getting less and less mindshare. I will be looking for a password keeper with the droid, and once I’m locked in to a vendor, it would take a lot to make me switch. As the leader in this type of software, I think you need to embrace it to stay the leader.

  12. Jochen

    After several years of Windows Mobile I’ve switched to Android. I’m quite impressed about it’s features. Here’s my list.

    Pro:
    – It’s not Apple.
    – It’s fast and quite intuitive
    – It’s open source and the development environment (Eclipse + Plugin + SDK with emulator) is really powerful and easy to use

    Con:
    – It’s Google ;) To use features like the market you need a google user… thus Google knows even more.
    – The mail application included in Android 1.5 (that’s what my phone still runs with) is incomplete. There’s a great open source alternative available in the market tho.

    As a new Android user for only 4 days, I’ve already bought several applications. I really think there’s a market for good applications (like Documents to Go for Android). The only thing I miss on Android is my ListPro.

    Jochen

  13. Gary McCormack

    I’m WinMo through and through as nothing else comes close to giving me what I want which is highly configurable, ease of leveraging existing in house skills for development etc. However at the moment that’s exactly where I see BB & WM excelling – the business arena.

    If your an ISV that’s targetting the more ‘individual consumer’ end of the market, then IMHO it would be extremely difficult to ignore the Android market. At this stage it’s an immature platform, but you only have to look at the (relative) explosion of devices recently or soon to be available to indicate the future growth of this market… In the UK you’ve got a good range both in terms of device capabilities and price. The price aspect really cannot be underestimated IMHO. In the UK we have a strong PAYG (contract free) market and with devices such as the T-Mobile Pulse available for £176 on PAYG they’re very affordable… If the app purchasing could be serviced via charging to your mobile account, as opposed to requiring a separated billing model, I think the market could be huge…

    Playing devil’s advocate a major though in my mind if I were in your position would be how portable my code base was… By this I mean will the effort of porting and supporting an application across a number of platforms stifle innovation in that application? Afterall there’s a finite amount of development resource available…

    Cheers

    Gary

  14. Singh

    PROS:
    Open API for development
    LiveAndroid LiveCD

    CONS:
    Should have more payment options for app store.

  15. shaneaus

    * Every OEM can tweak the UI – I don’t see this as an issue because mostly what is being tweaked is the GUI and not what makes the app run. I have had a G1 since it was sold. I have had over five different ROMS (1.1,1.5,1.6,and a couple with SenseUI and custom Launchers, etc.) ALL of the apps I have (about 91 apps) have run almost all the time. The only updates that had to be made related to the OS updates (1.1 to 1.5 to 1.6) the GUI didn’t effect the apps AT ALL!

    * They aren’t as big of a market as the media makes them out to be – OF COURSE NOT! There are less Android users and at least right now – a very LARGE percentage are techies who know exactly what they want.

    ALSO, and this is BIG! The devices haven’t had the memory/processor to run graphics heavy apps or apps that use a lot of resources. SO, the apps available (with few exceptions and most of them released recently) don’t appear as polished. The ones that do appear polished tend to lag due to the hardware – THIS will changes as better handsets become available.

    * Questionable support of applications: which may stem from the fact that Google is a app developer making everyone else a competitor. Goolge is a competitor… However, they can’t hamper Android because Android is the vehicle for the apps they have. Causing Android to hamper support will cause issues with their own apps. I haven’t used the stock phone dialer, browser, or messaging apps for a long time. ALL the other apps work better and faster than the stock apps with a better GUI.

    * It isn’t clear that Android Users are Application Purchasers – HAVE YOU LOOKED at the apps? Due to the restricted RAM/ROM (see above) the apps in the Android market have had very poor polish until the very recent apps. Who wants to buy a poor looking app on a device you want to show off? Also, most apps at this point seem to be made by Android fans and many are NOT made by professionals – and, it shows. The market will begin to change gradually as more and better app content appears on the Android Market. It will be a slow start. But, get in now and the competition will have to play catch up.

    My advice – make damn sure your app fits the needs of your customers, you have a version for each release that is CLEARLY LABELED in the market (this has been a major reason for bad user ratings), and the app is well polished (GREAT LOOKING!).

    Many beginning users were more technical. We wanted an alternative to the Icrap with an intuitive GUI. The most important issue with apps is that they extended the ability of the device to meet our needs. Many of the apps that were released were made by this tech crowd learning how to code apps for Android and beginners to the Android code environment. The apps were not polished and many were released with lots of bugs that had to be figured out. So, many Android users gravitated toward the free versions. Much of that has been addressed.

    The newer more savvy looking devices will attract a COMPLETELY different crowd. People who want an alternative to the Iphone (A large percentage due to the forced relationship with ITunes), that looks great, functions well, and runs better swap battery, add memory, etc. THESE people will be more likely to PAY for apps.

    Also, the newer devices are coming out with better processors, GPU’s, and RAM/ROM which means that games will run better. That will attract the casual gamer crowd which traditionally spends more money than the the utilitarian crowd who purchases just what they need.

    My$2.00 worth.

  16. Steve Hillshire

    As far as Android, you ain’t seen nothing yet. Why? T-Mobile? And people wonder why iPhone apps sell 20:1 to Android?

    Come on, the largest network wiith the largest number of subscribers is just getting their *first* Droid phone this week. And not just *a* Android phone, but arguably the hotest phone since the iPhone. And if that wasn’t enough, there are a slew of them coming right behind it. All major carriers have plans for Android devices in 2010 including AT&T who already has the hotest smart phone.

    There is a resevoir waiting to be tapped that would make the number of iPhone subscribers pale in comparison. My guess is if they wanted an iPhone but wouldn’t sell their soul to AT&T, they will be buying an Android device as they become available for their carrier. WinMo is dead. BB is yesterday. Android is today and beyond.

    I personally have been dragging around an old Razr and iTouch. I’ve purchased apps for the iTouch and will be purchasing a Motorola Droid Friday. I’ve been waiting for this day for a long long time. The way I look at it, there are going to be a slew of others just like me and one of the first things they will do with their new Droid is hit the apps store. Either you can be there and sell me something, or someone else will :)

  17. Simon Wallace

    I’ve been using eWallet ever since I purchased a Compaq iPaq 3630. I’ve become ultra reliant on eWallet during that time and I’m not sure if I could live without it. Unfortunately, I don’t think that the Windows mobile platform has really “got” anything for me any more and I am looking at replacing my Jasjam. For me, Android is number 1 on the list and it’s really disappointing to see that eWallet isn’t available. Far be it for me to assume that my situation is the same as others, but my 2 cents worth – I’d buy it if it was on Android!

  18. Frank McPherson

    I’ve switched from Windows Mobile to Android (myTouch) for my personal phone mostly because Android appears to be were the new development and innovation is going to be coming from. I think you can’t avoid the fact that since Android devices will be available on every major carrier in the U.S. and around the world, the potential market will be much larger for Android than iPhone.

    Verizon’s jump in to Android is a big plus because of its marketing might. I’ve seen more droid commercials on TV in the last two weeks than I saw of Windows Mobile phones in the last 5 years. Verizon’s marketing (which includes the Droid and “a map for that” commercials as a start) is the number 1 reason why I think developers should get on board with Android. In my opinion Verizon is simply the best mobile company at marketing.

    I know that the idea of supporting yet another mobile platform is not appealing, but I honestly think that not getting into the Android market soon will be a big mistake for iLium. If that means only maintaining the existing Windows Mobile apps and focusing new development on Android and iPhone, I think you should give it strong consideration. I’ve not seen anything from Microsoft that makes me optimistic about their delivery of Windows Mobile 7 or that they will be able to even regain the share they are losing right now.

  19. Stuart

    Having been a power-user (I hate that term) of WinCE/PPC/WinMo devices since 1999, I recently changed to an Android device (G1) and I have to say that I won’t be going back to WinMo unless the OS gets a radical overhaul.

    As I see it, WinMo seems fairly stagnant at the moment, whereas Android is just starting to really take off – many new devices, Android 2.0 on it’s way, etc.

    I believe that the Android platform will be a major force within 2 years and therefore it makes sense to develop/port your applications onto this platform.

    Hope to see you on the Android Market soon!

    Stuart, England.

  20. Somebody

    Why?
    1) You don’t provide source code (required for auditing the security of your software),
    2) You don’t provide a Linux client.

    Due to the fact that you have no credibility (there are tons of competitors in this realm, many of whom provide source and therefore verifiable security), I have no interest at all in your polluting the android market with your junk.

    Note: if you were to make things better, I would certainly be willing to reconsider my position.

  21. Marc Post author

    @Everyone: GREAT feedback. Thank you EVERYONE! This definitely gives me some food for thought. I’m not saying your arguments completely eliminate my concerns but they definitely give me some insight. Perhaps the strongest argument is that many WinMo folks may move to Android. These are people who have already demonstrated a willingness to buy software so they represent a viable market on the platform.

    @Somebody: Hi, “Somebody.” In the future, if you want to have a reasonable discussion with us, feel free to use a real email address. I’m MORE than happy to talk to you about your concerns. Firing off a “safely anonymous” nasty-gram in the comments of our blog isn’t going to inspire change. Feel free to email us at info@iliumsoft.com with Attn: Marc in the subject and I’ll happily engage you in a dialog about this.

  22. Henry

    @Somebody needs to grow up. No credibility, after so many years of solid work… I don’t think so. How does not having a linux client support your useless comments. If you have no interest why are you here, why are you posting and when will you be old enough for a driving license?

  23. Charley

    I was a palm user of ewallet who moved to PocketPC and ewallet moved with me. I am a verizon wireless user who had just about given up that they would ever have a decent smartphone ( no issue with blackberry just wanted something different). I was about to switch to AT&T just to get an iphone even though verizons coverage was great. I will be staying with verizon and getting a droid, hope you decide to develop for android if not i hope ewallet web companion?

  24. Ingo

    Ewallet is a great application and the Android Hero the first phone that took me away from windows mobile.
    Ewallet and the task sync with exchange server are the only two reasons why i still have my WM6.5
    would simply be great !!!!!!!!!!!
    thanks

  25. LexLuther

    Let’s get the ewallet for mac version out first before we start throwing resources at a new OS. Seriously, Android only has potential users (no matter how nice the UI is or how cool you all want to be programming for Android) while OS X has real iphone/ipod users that are crying out for sync. So focus, not pocus, ok.

  26. Andre

    It’s been a year since we were promised a Mac version. This should take priority over Android – lots of users out there that moved over from Windows and are now forced to run eWallet in a Windows virtual machine on the Mac – not ideal.

  27. Marc

    @Lex and Andre: We aren’t letting up on Mac. The reality is that these are two completely different operating systems. If someone has Android development skills but not Mac, they aren’t going to help the Mac version get done any quicker. Again – resources directed to another project are not necessarily resources that would help get Mac done faster.

  28. aaron

    i feel that android is the up and coming OS, i used the iPhone for a year then WinMo and as friday im getting the Droid. i would love to be a ble to use my data from eWallet on the droid. BUT do the porting FAST, i will use someone else’s software, i need it now.

  29. Andrew

    I am to late for the drawing, but I wanted to give my 2 cents….

    I was a WinMo/PPC user for years. I have had an iPhone for the past 2 years and I am now looking forward to Android. I want a phone that is customizable; and even though Android has not made a dent yet, I think it will.

    I will have access to both a Cliq and a Droid in the next week and then I will test them to see what the reality is. In June, I will be getting a new phone from somebody and if it is Android, then the first app I will need is a password wallet, and unfortunately your competitor has beat you in releasing one.

  30. Julie

    Hi everyone,

    Marc asked me to get out my fancy contest hat and randomly pick a prize winner from all the great entries. I have, and so here’s the big winner:

    Steve Hillshire!

    Congrats Steve! I’ve sent you an email just to verify that I’ve got a good address for you, before I send the prize your way. If you don’t get it, reply to this post and let us know.

    Oh, and what is the prize, you may ask? Well, it’s a nice gift card to Amazon.com.

    And to everyone else, thanks for all the great thoughts and comments! If you have anything else to say about Android, we’d love to hear it!

  31. Brighteyes

    I have used E Wallet for years I love it. Please make it for the Android.

    Tmobile is the best cell co out there.

    I had I phone and ATT and guess what I could not make a call to customer service, call from my home or go online, we are in Panama City, FL.

  32. Karl

    I have used your eWallet program since it first came out. I just recently sold my Ipod touch (got tired of the bloated Windows iTunes). This week I bought a 16gig version of the Archos Internet Tablet w/Android and will probably purchase an Android phone in the future. SO any support you could provide for Android would be appreciated.

  33. David Magnenat, Jr.

    Mark me down as a Verizon customer stuck with WinMo until this morning. I bought a Motorola Droid phone specifically because it is Android and not Windows. Apple iPhone is not an option for me but honestly, I don’t know that I’d go that way even if I could. No multitasking? Lower res screen? Closed, rather than open source?

    At any rate, iLium, your direct competition (SplashID) is selling a product similar to eWallet for Android already and I may be forced to go that way to replace yours. I’d be happy to buy an Android version of eWallet, as would others in my company, if one were available.

  34. Taaz69

    First, I have been using eWallet since the old Palm Phones came out. Now I have the Android phone. The first place I checked was your site to get this app.

    I cannot believe your comment regarding: “They aren’t as big of a market as the media makes them out to be.” I think you are a little misinformed if you think is just a fad.

    The second comment: “It isn’t clear that Android Users are Application Purchasers.” Excuse me! Are you saying the iphone users are? Most of the iPhone applications are free or on the low end. How much are you charging for the iPhone version and how much is Apple making off this? So, this excuse does not wash.

    There is a lot more I could say but, the bottom line is this:

    These are the new generation of phones. If you do not want to support the Android market or the customers who are willing to buy this application then just come out and say it. I’ll go look elsewhere then.

  35. onlydarksets

    Pro.

    If you had it ready, I would have bought. As it is, I have to switch to another solution. Due diligence is important, but waiting out the market has its downsides, too, in the form of lost customers.

  36. Brian

    After moving from almost a decade with WinMo to Droid the greatest things I miss are my eWallet and Listpro. Offer a beta and I will try. Offer a release and I will buy; at a reasonable price of course.

    Thanks,

    Brian

  37. Dean

    Pro, very strongly!

    After many years of using eWallet on the WinMo platform both in pdas & smartphones, I have switched to Android 2.0. Google’s paradigm of network apps rather than resident apps is clearly the way to go. Now that Verizon, Motorola, and Google have teamed up and HTC following right along, the writing is on the wall.

    eWallet on Android would have been my first ‘had to have’ software purchase & I would pay double for a tightly integrated PC / Android solution.

    Without a clear commitment from Ilium this week on eWallet for Android with a commitment date, I will abandon eWallet and convert to another app; there are several less desirable, but viable, alternatives .

    You should have seen this coming!

    Thanks, Ilium, for many years of a great product and I hope for many more.

    Your loyal customer,

    Dean

  38. Norm

    Pro–very strong supporter of Android.

    I can’t comment on the market issues raised above, but comment on my personnal experience. As an early adapter of Palm OS, and a long time user of ewallet and other Ilium apps, I’ve bee frustrated by the limited smartphone choices in the Verizon system. Needing to retire a Treo 755p, I was considering moving to the iPhone or Pre, but AT&T and Sprint have poor coverage/support in my area.

    With the intro of two android Verizon phones this week, I will stay with Verizon and switch to the adroid ecology. If eWallet has a beta, I will try the app, otherwise I will have to pick a new android app to replace eWallet.

    Norm

  39. Wayne

    Okay …… so you’re evaluating the market to determine if sufficient to invest in developing. Meanwhile, could you recommend a relacement app for eWallet that I can use on Droid? Do you know of one that I could export to?

    I just upgraded from Windows (Treo) to your Blackberry app 2 weeks ago – but am dumping it for the Droid.

  40. Jonathan Burke

    You MUST develop eWallet for Android. After being a customer for many years and moving thru many different platforms, this one is here to stay and will grow in popularity. I’ve had my Motorola Droid for only two days and I am very impressed. My only disappointment comes from finding out that eWallet is not available for Android yet!! Come on guys get crack’in.

  41. Rudolf Flueckiger

    I own a HTC Magic Google Phone, and I believe that the market is used fairly for all paid applications that are below 6$. Apps that charge you a higher price, often get bad reviews simply because the community thinks it’s not worth the price…
    And unfortunatly I have to agree with all the cons.
    Already the sw updating nighmare caused by various devices thus hw specs (screen resolution, with hw keyboard “G1″ vs. without), AND the different OS versions (Cupcake) Android 1.5 & 2.0 etc. Makes me wonder how the Android Market will keep up with newer and older devices in the near future.

  42. LexLuther

    Thanks Mark I understand the probable non-transferrable skills (mac os vs android) but funding of resources IS fungible. The money spent on an android developer might be better spent on another mac dev to quicken the process. Just my two cents since I am not a developer……..

  43. Marc Post author

    @EVeryone: Again – great comments across the board. All very good stuff.

    @Taaz69: You wrote:

    “”They aren’t as big of a market as the media makes them out to be.” I think you are a little misinformed if you think is just a fad. ”

    I never said it was a fad. I said that the actual market size sounds huge when the media talks about it, but the reality is that it isn’t that large of a market. I’m not judging popularity – I’m talking numbers here – not how much people like it or like to talk about it – in the end the numbers are what will make or break the market.

    “Are you saying the iphone users are ? ”

    Yes. Again – the hard facts support this, in some cases suggesting that each iPhone users purchases (not downloads, but pays for) twice as many apps. It doesn’t matter WHY this is – the bottom line – theblack and white – is that iPhone users (currently) BUY more osftware per user than Android owners.

    “If you do not want to support the Android market or the customers who are willing to buy this application then just come out and say it. I’ll go look elsewhere then.”

    You’ve made a huge number of assumptions here. I’m not looking at this device as a consumer. I’m looking at cold, hard facts and making a business decision based on those facts. Please look at the Symbian market – HUGE device market – TINY software market. It’s not a judgement about the device, the OS, or the users. It’s a calculation based on facts.

    And if I’d made a decision I never would have posted this. The reality is that the market looks iffy, BUT input from users and other points of view can offer additional facts that will allow me to make a decision.

  44. AfricanTech

    I’ve also been an eWallet user since the year dot and it’s migrated with me from PDA (Palm) to PDA (Windows) to my Windows Mobile. New phone is due in December and I am considering moving to Android – one of the things that is holding me back is the fact that eWallet is not available on that platform.

    If eWallet was available on the Android, I would buy it.

  45. Dean

    So Marc… just when will you make your decision? I have to migrate from eWallet if you decide not to support Android.

  46. Brad

    As a recent convert, still learning, about my Moto Droid, I am looking to replace all of the apps that I used on my Windows Mobile phone. Most importantly is my password manager that I sync from my home desktop PC to my Windows Mobile and U3 Device to my office laptop. I really dont want to learn another application.. Make the right choice and develop. If you build it they will come.

  47. Jesse

    I’m hooked on e-wallet for my windows mobile phone. 99% sure I’ll be going Droid. Please make my switch less painful and make e-Wallet available. I’d buy it again without a discount.

  48. Richard

    I purchased eWallet and ListPro for my Palm Treo a long time ago and since have switched phones to use the G1, or the first Android phone. I am a huge fan of the Android phone because of the constant innovation being done to the underlying operating system. When I first got the phone in January, it was slightly buggy and I was forced to reboot it once every three days or so. After getting Android 1.5 and now 1.6, it’s much much better in memory management and in addition, new features have been added. Now Android 2.0 is out and many more phones are coming out as well so I think the user base will grow.

    If an Android version is developed, then I will definitely be purchasing those products again.

  49. Charlie

    I love E-wallet and am about to migrate from the Palm evironment to Android on the Verizon Droid. Please please please create a version for the droid.

  50. Rex Prues

    Just purchased a Motorola Droid, and it really rocks. I have ten colleagues in my office who have done likewise. I would love eWallet on the Droid but, if not, I’ll move to a different product.

  51. Nigel

    I’ve been an eWallet user for years and I really like the program. However, my new mobile platform (Android) trumps the eWallet software because password software is only used occasionally, whereas Android is so useful in other ways that I cannot be without my phone. If eWallet is not available on Android, I will have to find a replacement application that does run on Android.

  52. Nancy Lyons

    I wish that you had Listpro and Ewallet for the Android platform. Love my Droid and plan to keep it. Stayed with MS Mobile JUST to use the Listpro and Ewallet programs but had sync problems all the time. I’m sure it was MS not Ilium’s trouble. Please make an Android platform very soon or I will be forced to go with another one of the competitors.
    Thanks for your time,
    Nancy

  53. Ricky

    I as thousands others bought a Motorola Droid since it’s release last Friday. It’s truly a competitor. Only over the weekend the number of apps that have come out is crazy… I can’t imagine there was as much prior to the recent slew of android smartphones that recently came out. There’s also news of many more android phones coming out before years end. News of a drop in Iphone’s price for the holidays is a good sign that these are worthy competitors. Please make an android version of ewallet. I use it everyday on my laptop and really want it on my Droid. If you guys can’t deliver or choose otherwise I may have to switch to a different product.

  54. Geoff

    I have invested in a couple of versions of e-Wallet and ListPro in the Windows Mobile market place. I am waiting on the delivery of a HTC Hero with Android. If you don’t take advantage of this new platform you will miss a market opportunity and have a lot of disappointed customers. (Also include a migration path for the data files ;-) )!

  55. Jim

    Business is what drove me to change to the DROID phone. We Verizon users (ATT does not have the coverage in our area needed to sustain business … been down that road before) need a phone that has possibilites for promoting more business. The DROID is that phone. I’ve been a Windows Mobile user for years and BB before that. I am here to say, after using the DROID since the 6th, I’ll never go back to them. I use eWallet hard and promote it verbally as much as I can (to help support the developers) and absolutely need it for the DROID. It IS the next iPhone and more. As far as cons, most of those claims are completely unjustified. The only way the market gets bigger is if everyone supports it. Time to take a stand for what is better. And lets face it, if you think Google is going to back down, you’ll lose miserably. As far as application purchasers are concerned, it is unfair to judge previous Android phones against the DROID. It’s night and day. The same could be said for the iPhone … everyone thought that was going to be just another iPod. Look at it now. This is the next level, time to get it there.

  56. James

    There are really two markets here.

    The first consists of existing eWallet users who are migrating to the Android platform. Most of the people posting here are in that category. I think that it is clear that (a) we want support on this platform and (b) we are willing to purchase a product. The only thing that has stopped me from buying a Droid to date is the lack of eWallet support. I don’t want to drop eWallet but I will if I have too and I suspect that I’ll be picking up a Droid in the next couple of weeks.

    The other market consists of Android users who are not currently eWallet users. There is an opportunity here to develop the must-have application for the Android and I’m not sure that you should pass up that opportunity. Of course, I’m not privy to strategy at Ilium, but I don’t think that you can ignore — for the reasons cited above — this market.

    And sign me up to beta test whatever you deliver because I’ll be aching to get eWallet back on my Droid!

  57. Martin

    I think the fact that the OS and SDK is free, cause lots of people to expect the applications to be free too.

    And although there are some pretty good free applications from the market that I currently use, I am appalled by the long list of check-list/to-do applications that totally don’t do what ListPro gave me on my Windows Mobile PDA. If an application with the quality and stability of ListPro became available, I would certainly pay for it like I did for the WM version.
    I am currently even in a mind to starting something basic myself, to provide the bare functionality I use in ListPro, like hierarchy, multi-column and check-box functionality.

  58. vjpatterson3

    I have used eWallet on the Palm platform and the WinMobile platform. I recently switched to Android. There is no competition for eWallet. Assessing Android in it’s infancy will short change the potential market. I hope you develop eWallet (and other programs you have) for the Android platform. Some assess Android’s potential as very positive (i.e., http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/10/09/android_2012_gartner/). User response so far now that more that just G-1 is available is very positive.

  59. pwjone1

    I also just converted phones over to a Motorola Droid (Android 2.0), and would definitely like to see eWallet and ListPro there. While there are free apps that I’ll guess I’ll play with, but I was really quite happy with the security and so forth of the from Ilium, would be more than willing to pay for applications (already have done so, like also to have things sync with the PC). I switched to Droid because it is so vastly superior technically to the Windows Mobile phones available. And I’m going to also point out that Wallet Pro (Rhombus Software, about 2 euro) is already ported. So the competition is definitely headed there.

  60. Brandon

    yet one more person here who used List Pro (on a Palm device) and upgraded to a Droid. I would LOVE to see a version for the Android OS, and would gladly pay for it again. If one isn’t forthcoming, I’ll have to find a competitor.

  61. Mark

    Android is going mainstream, it isn’t going to be limited to a small volume (Global cell phone market wise) of smart devices.

    It is going to be produced, marketed and manufactured by multiple manufacturers and carriers, not the model that iPhone has until this point been sold on.

    Lower tier devices will have android, it’s already beginning and will continue into 2010/11. That’s the beauty of the platform it’s so adapatable even budget/ low cost phones could ship with Android.

    Please consider this in your development plans,

    Mark

  62. Jonathan

    Like almost everyone else posting, I am a long time user of eWallet and ListPro on my old Dell Axim X5 pocketpc. I have had my Samsung Galaxy android phone for 2 weeks now and the only piece missing from my app jigsaw is eWallet. I am prepared to hang on for it for a little while, but will move away if nothing is forthcoming. I have lots of stuff in my eWallet database that I really don’t want to type in all over again to a new app. And I certainly want to keep the sync to pc functionality. But I will move if Ilium don’t support Android.

    I have purchased several apps already (Co-Pilot, Road Sync), and am happy to buy others (probably Documents To Go at least). Yes there is lots for free on Android Market, as there is on iPhone, but not all by a long way.

    It isn’t a matter of IF Android is a success, it IS already. Lots of momentum for a platform that is flexible (change batteries, add memory, bluetooth, GPS etc) is the reason why probably all of us have bought into it. The train is accelerating out of the station, we all want Ilium on board. JUMP onboard before it is too late!

    YES eWallet and ListPro for Android please!

    Jonathan

  63. Ken

    One of your cons listed is that each vendor can tweak the UI. This may be true, but I believe that if you use the Android 2.0 SDK, you will mitigate much of the UI issues. It may be too bad for the G1 users, but the Droid market is far larger.

    eWallet has been the best password storage software for my Windows Mobile phone and the only “Oh, Dang.” thought I had after buying the Droid was “Oh, Dang.. I forgot about eWallet.”

    As many have indicated here, I would gladly pay for it as well.

  64. Bob Preston

    I have been an ewallet user for some time on Palm Treo OS and have recently switched to Android Droid phone over the Palm Pre. I would like to use eWallet for Android, but if I if nothing is available soon, I will lieklly switch to a new product available on Android.

  65. Mark

    Shortly I’ll be switching to an Android-based phone (Moto Droid, probably), and I would love to see e-Wallet on the Android platform. The smartphone space will be very competitive from this point forward, and I view Android as a lasting alternative in this space. I’m very happy with e-Wallet, and would hate to switch. If you don’t offer an Android-based product, I’ll have no choice but to move on.

  66. Dave Watts

    If there was an Android version of eWallet, I’d buy it today. I’ve been using eWallet for many, many years on my Windows machines and my WM phones, and I just got the Droid the day it came out. The phone is fantastic, and if I have to choose between eWallet and the Droid, I’ll switch to KeePass.

    I think some of the current statistics about the Android platform and the people using it aren’t very useful. As more people get it, they’ll be more likely to buy software for it, and there’ll be more people writing non-free software for it.

  67. Sanjiv Thakor

    I have been using eWallet for more than the last 5 years now and have loads of data stored into it. I switched from Palm to iPhone only because iPhone had eWallet available. In the future if I decide to switch to Android then it will be if eWallet app is available on Android based device or not.

  68. Steve Mason

    Like many of those above, I’ve been using eWallet for years and have talked many others into doing so. I am on Verizon and am about to get a smartphone, probably the Droid.

    I’ve been playing with a trial version of SplashID (which seems to sync with everything) and will look at Keepass but I’d much prefer to stay with eWallet if possible.

  69. Rhonda Seamonds

    I think with the release of the new Droid, you now have an explosion of new potential customers willing to buy eWallet. According to the AdMob Mobile Metrics Report, “Devices running on Android accounted for 17% of smartphone traffic in the US in September 2009, up from 13% in August 2009.” I’m sure that percentage will skyrocket now that the Dorid has been launched.

    I don’t want to switch to another program, but if you don’t release an Android version (and soon), I will.

  70. Jim

    On 11/2/2009 you’re only just considering an Android port. That’s discouraging! As a longtime e-wallet user, I would have been glad to purchase an Android upgrade. But now I need to migrate to another app so I can get my info onto my new droid. I’ll stay on your update e-mail list, so in the future if you provide a port, I can consider switching back.

    Have had the droid for a week and it’s outstanding. Watch the uptake on the stock Android 2.0 release. As I understand it, the droid is pure Android 2.0 without vendor UI mods. Per the Moto dev site, the Android 2.0 emulator IS the droid emulator. You might find a good business case supporting stock Android 2.0.

  71. Marc Post author

    @Jim:
    “On 11/2/2009 you’re only just considering an Android port”

    Not quite accurate. We’ve considered an Android port since the device came out. Like all new platforms we continue to revisit it until we make a firm decision one way or another. With the release of Droid we thought it might be a good time to get some additional feedback.

  72. Jeremy

    I have moved over to the Droid and would like to continue using ewallet. There is no good password manager for the Droid except for SpashIDs product, which I would just as soon not have to try and import my data into.

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